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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the IPCC reports represent the consensus of the scientific community, why does it rely on a magazine article featuring an interview with an unknown Indian scientist who speculates that the glaciers in the Himalayas will melt by 2035 with support from a publication of the activist group World Wildlife Fund as the basis of such a major claim?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html#ixzz0dUoPiTkG

Why does it rely on a report from the activist group World Wildlife Fund as the basis of their claim in the IPCC report that the Amazon will be irreparably harmed by global warming?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7009705.ece

Why does it rely on a report from the activist group Greenpeace as the sole source of their claim in the IPCC report that coral reefs are damaged by global warming?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/29/now-its-greenpeace-reports-cited-in-the-ipcc-ar4/

(in fact both activist groups are widely cited in the IPCC report - http://climateresearchnews.com/2010/01/un-ipcc-activist-science-greenpeace-and-wwf-reports-cited-in-ar4/ )

And now, in the latest revelation, why does it rely on a paper written by a geography student working on the equivalent of his Masters degree and anecdotal evidence in a magazine for climbers?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7111525/UN-climate-change-panel-based-claims-on-student-dissertation-and-magazine-article.html

It seems that the science isn't quite what we were told it was. I thought peer-reviewed scientific literature was the gold standard. Apparently the IPCC is willing to accept sources that don't even meet the qualifications of the tin standard or the lead standard.

Meanwhile, even with all of his responsibilities as head of the IPCC and being on the board of directors of dozens of companies that stand to benefit from IPCC findings Pachauri has found time to write a racy novel with lots of sex:
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In breathless prose that risks making Dr Pachauri, who will be 70 this year, a laughing stock among the serious, high-minded scientists and world leaders with whom he mixes, he details sexual encounter after sexual encounter.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7111068/Revealed-the-racy-novel-written-by-the-worlds-most-powerful-climate-scientist.html


Why did the "expert reviewers" miss all of this? They didn't. The chapter authors ignored the reviewers comments and warnings. One person admitted to including the Himalayan glacier story to put pressure on politicians. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html

Does anyone out there want to defend this?

And why is the British media all over this, but the American media doesn't seem to notice?

There has been a little bit on Fox News and ABC News asks, "Can Climate Forecasts Still Be Trusted?" and states in the subtitle, "Confidence Melting Away: Doubts Grow in Climate Change Debate": http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=9685251
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Science at it's best! Don't question us, just accept and know we're right.

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Strange case of moving weather posts and a scientist under siege
In the first part of a major investigation of the so-called 'climategate' emails, one of Britain's top science writers reveals how researchers tried to hide flaws in a key study


Fred Pearce
guardian.co.uk, Monday 1 February 2010 21.00 GMT

It is difficult to imagine a more bizarre academic dispute. Where exactly are 42 weather monitoring stations in remote parts of rural China?

But the argument over the weather stations, and how it affects an important set of data on global warming, has led to accusations of scientific fraud and may yet result in a significant revision of a scientific paper that is still cited by the UN's top climate science body.

It also further calls into question the integrity of the scientist at the centre of the scandal over hacked climate emails, the director of the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU), Dr Phil Jones. The emails suggest that he helped to cover up flaws in temperature data from China that underpinned his research on the strength of recent global warming.

The Guardian has learned that crucial data obtained by American scientists from Chinese collaborators cannot be verified because documents containing them no longer exist. And what data is available suggests that the findings are fundamentally flawed.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/01/dispute-weather-fraud


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NIWA Unable To Justify Official Temperature Record
Monday, 1 February 2010, 4:02 pm
Press Release: New Zealand Climate Science Coalition

The National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) has been urged by the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition (NZCSC) to abandon all of its in-house adjustments to temperature records. This follows an admission by NIWA that it no longer holds the records that would support its in-house manipulation of official temperature readings.
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“The only inference that can be drawn from this is that NIWA has casually altered its temperature series from time to time, without ever taking the trouble to maintain a continuous record. The result is that the official temperature record has been adjusted on unknown dates for unknown reasons, so that its probative value is little above that of guesswork. In such a case, the only appropriate action would be reversion to the raw data record, perhaps accompanied by a statement of any known issues,” said Terry Dunleavy, secretary of NZCSC.
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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC1002/S00004.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Reputation Report:
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IPCC: Inglorious Basterds
editor | February 1, 2010
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If the emails and press reports are to be believed, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) suggests an interesting study of how to destroy one’s reputation in three easy steps. This is how the strategy appears to unfold:

1. First, disparage and intimidate non-believers (as if what you do were a religion). Claim “voodoo science” of anyone who disputes your hypotheses. Oh sorry, that’s right, despite being scientists, do away with old fashioned hypotheses and just make statements of fact without research, without peer review. (Now that’s standard procedure in PR, but hardly the realm of science.)
2. Don’t forget to lie. Falsify the results of tests to support your statements, irrespective of the science. Conspire with cronies to hide the facts, to build upon the lie.
3. Do it consistently over a period of time to ensure your message and only your message gets through. Brook no dissension in the ranks.

The IPCC seems to have cried wolf where there was no wolf; said the sky was falling in and it wasn’t; said the emperor has new clothes, but he was in fact naked – all to feed an apparently political agenda. Its contempt for the common man in perpetuating claims without foundation, is scandalous. My favourite debunking comes from Michael R. Fox, Ph.D in Hawaii. It should have been given a great deal more light when it was written in 2007. For the latest climategate revelations see the Telegraph UK, The Daily Mail, and for an excellent scientific analysis, try The Smoking Gun at Darwin Zero.

How sad it is that such prominent academics appear to have manipulated results specifically to support their claims. This goes against the very foundations of science itself. Indeed, how sad for the world if carbon emissions have increased dramatically; if in fact humankind is to blame for massive increases in emissions; if the glaciers are going to disappear; if ocean temperatures are heating up irrevocably. The damage the IPCC has done to the very cause it is said to support is irreparable. As one who believed, I am horrified these people still hold any kind of public position.
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http://www.reputationreport.com.au/2010/02/ipcc-shame/


I'm sure all of this is easily explained away. This is how science works! The public shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion about the use of these kinds of tactics. Their ways are higher than our ways.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In looking at four possible allegations of research misconduct, the committee determined that further investigation is warranted for one of those allegations. The recommended investigation will focus on determining if Mann "engaged in, directly or indirectly, any actions that seriously deviated from accepted practices within the academic community for proposing, conducting or reporting research or other scholarly activities."

http://live.psu.edu/story/44327

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How climate-change fanatics corrupted science
By: Michael Barone
Senior Political Analyst
February 3, 2010

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"The global warming movement as we have known it is dead," writes Walter Russell Mead of the Council on Foreign Relations in The American Interest. "The movement died from two causes: bad science and bad politics."

Some decades hence, I suspect, people will look back and wonder why so many government, corporate and media elites were taken in by propaganda that was based on such shoddy and dishonest evidence. And taken in to the point that they advocated devoting trillions of dollars to a cause that was based on flagrant dishonesty and dissembling.
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Unfortunately, the cadre of climate scientists who have dominated public discussion and have controlled the IPCC have been demonstrated to be far, far less than trustworthy. Like the theorists who invented epicycles to explain away the failure of Ptolemaic theory to account for astronomical observations, they have distorted science in the interest of something that resembles religious dogma.

The secular religion of global warming has all the elements of a religious faith: original sin (we are polluting the planet), ritual (separate your waste for recycling), redemption (renounce economic growth) and the sale of indulgences (carbon offsets). We are told that we must have faith (all argument must end, as Al Gore likes to say) and must persecute heretics (global warming skeptics are like Holocaust deniers, we are told).

People in the grip of such a religious frenzy evidently feel justified in lying, concealing good evidence and plucking bad evidence from whatever flimsy source may be at hand.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/How-climate-change-fanatics-corrupted-science-83396362.html#ixzz0eyy1vp7b

I guess we can say we've reached a consensus on this site -- AGW is not the problem the IPCC and others wanted us to believe. No one wants to defend this sinking cesspool of non-science.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad to see that this monumental fraud is being exposed.

But, I am very disturbed that so many politicians wanted to spend (and many still want to spend) trillions on this fraud. They wanted to regulate and tax our economy to death (and many still do.) As I've always believed, this had nothing to do with climate change, but had everything to do with extending government's reach in an almost total manner over our entire economy and society.

This November, I will carefully be studying each candidate before I vote. Any politician who has supports or who has supported Cap and Tax or any of the other global-warming nonsense will not be receiving my support (unless they publicly state that they were wrong.) I cannot trust any politician with my tax money or vote who wishes to take away our remaining freedoms and what we have left of our prosperity. I would not vote for these people any more than I would vote for a Socialist, Communist or Nazi - or anyone else who supports such radical governmental control. People who support a fraud and an extension of government power such as this (even if well-intentioned) should not be voted into power.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. When it rains, it pours!

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New errors in IPCC climate change report
The United Nations panel on climate change is facing fresh criticism today as The Sunday Telegraph reveals new factual errors and poor sources of evidence in its influential report to government leaders.


By Richard Gray and Ben Leach
Published: 9:00PM GMT 06 Feb 2010

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) report is supposed to be the world’s most authoritative scientific account of the scale of global warming.

But this paper has discovered a series of new flaws in it including:

The publication of inaccurate data on the potential of wave power to produce electricity around the world, which was wrongly attributed to the website of a commercial wave-energy company.

Claims based on information in press releases and newsletters.

New examples of statements based on student dissertations, two of which were unpublished.

More claims which were based on reports produced by environmental pressure groups.

They are the latest in a series of damaging revelations about the IPCC’s most recent report, published in 2007.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7177230/New-errors-in-IPCC-climate-change-report.html

Why has the media been so complicit? Well, the BBC has over 8 billion reasons to push the Global Warming agenda:
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£8BN BBC ECO-BIAS
Sunday February 7,2010
By Geraint Jones

STRIKING parallels between the BBC’s coverage of the global warming debate and the activities of its pension fund can be revealed today.

The corporation is under investigation after being inundated with complaints that its editorial coverage of climate change is biased in favour of those who say it is a man-made phenomenon.

The £8billion pension fund is likely to come under close scrutiny over its commitment to promote a low-carbon economy while struggling to reverse an estimated £2billion deficit.

Concerns are growing that BBC journalists and their bosses regard disputed scientific theory that climate change is caused by mankind as “mainstream” while huge sums of employees’ money is invested in companies whose success depends on the theory being widely accepted
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http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/156703

Looks like Pachauri, Gore and the BBC have a lot in common -- they can make money promoting global warming scare stories!

NBC, owned by GE, has also been a big global warming supporter because their parent company stands to make a lot of money as well. When people on TV promote stocks, they have to be transparent about their relationships to the companies they are promoting.

With global warming, there is rarely any transparency ANYWHERE -- in the science or in the media. When watching Brian Williams promote the latest warming scare story, or when they turn the lights out in the football booth and do the half time show with candles to save the world viewers are not told that NBC/GE stand to make money if you believe them.

(See Obama’s hidden bailout of General Electric - http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obamas-hidden-bailout-of-General-Electric_03_04-40686707.html )
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Religion In Decline
February 16, 2010 Posted by John at 11:14 AM

When you no longer have actual religious faith, you get this kind of thing instead:

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Several prominent Anglican British bishops are urging Christians to keep their carbon consumption in check this Lent. ...

[T]his year's initiative aims to convince those observing Lent to try a day without an iPod or mobile phone in a bid to reduce the use of electricity -- and thus trim the amount of carbon dioxide spewed into the atmosphere.

Bishop of London Rev. Richard Chartres said that the poorest people in developing countries were the hardest hit by man-made climate change.

He said Tuesday that the ''Carbon Fast'' was ''an opportunity to demonstrate the love of God in a practical way.''


I'm trying to think of a less practical way to "demonstrate the love of God" than through a purely symbolic act that will have zero impact on the weather or anything else. So far I haven't come up with one.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/02/025608.php
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's really weird right now is Obama pushing for loan guarantees for new nuclear power plants. I would love to see more nuclear power plants. But, in the last 30 years, when have you heard any liberal or Democrat supporting building nuclear power plants? They have thrown up so many roadblocks and regulations and downright bans that it has become prohibitively expensive to build them.

Frankly, I just think it's a political ploy. I wish it weren't but what I see is Obama saying that he supports nuclear power, but there will be so many studies and delays and outrageous cost estimates, that nothing will ever get built.

My own idea for nuclear power plants is to come up with one plan for a reactor. Build the same one over and over - don't re-invent it each time one is built. Lease federal land to power companies to build them. That way, the power companies don't have to deal with state and local opposition to them. Don't give any loan guarantees or direct money to the power companies, but allow them tax credits when the project is finished and operating. The tax credits will be based on the amount of power generated. If the plant closes, the tax credits cease.

But if nuclear power plants are never built, it really doesn't matter. The U.S. has plenty of natural gas and coal.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

casazza wrote:
But, in the last 30 years, when have you heard any liberal or Democrat supporting building nuclear power plants?


Or Republicans for that matter. One of the main things that soured me on Huntsman was when he said that as long as he was governor he would do everything in his power to prevent any new coal or nuclear power plants in the state of Utah.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al Bore just bought an $8.8 million beachfront house in CA. I guess he's not too terribly concerned about ocean levels rising. "The ice caps are all melting and we're all going to drown!!"

I wonder how much this house adds to his carbon footprint? It's a good-sized house. Plus, you know how he like to keep his swimming pools heated. Plus, flying on private jets (it's OK for him) to get there. And, he'll have to add another fleet of cars (large ones, of course) to keep there. But it's alright because he's going to buy carbon credits from himself!! I guess he figures that a lot of people in Haiti right now aren't using up their quotas, so he'll use the carbon allotments of a few thousand Haitians.

What a hypocrite!!! And a fraud! And a crook - making hundreds of millions on this whole carbon credit fraud. He pushes the whole fraud so he can make a lot of money from it. Doesn't something seem wrong with that?

Obama just said, "At a certain point, you've made enough money." Does that apply to his good friend, Al Bore? Of course, it's going to be up to Obama's thugs to determine who's made enough money and who should have the excess taken from them. They've started the process already. I wonder if this is going to include his sympathizers?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Obama just said, "At a certain point, you've made enough money."


I remember during the 1992 campaign Bill Clinton floated the idea of capping income at $1 million per year.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aranhamo wrote:
casazza wrote:
Obama just said, "At a certain point, you've made enough money."


I remember during the 1992 campaign Bill Clinton floated the idea of capping income at $1 million per year.


And during the 1972 campaign, George McGovern proposed that all incomes over $500K be taxed at 100%.

Notice how these confiscatory and socialist policies come from Democrats. And capping income and taxing anything over at 100% is socialist - radically socialist.

Of course, they want this for greedy corporate execs and Wall Street people. Will it also apply to actors making $20 million per picture and people like George Soros and Oprah Winfrey?

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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget wind mills and solar panels. It's already too late. A majority of people will be dead in the next year and a half. From The Canadian: Canada's new socially progressive and cross-cultural national newspaper:

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Over 4.5 Billion people could die from Global Warming-related causes by 2012
Hydrate hypothesis illuminates growing climate change alarm

Compiled by John Stokes
Tuesday 18. May 2010

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Runaway Global Warming promises to literally burn-up agricultural areas into dust worldwide by 2012, causing global famine, anarchy, diseases, and war on a global scale as military powers including the U.S., Russia, and China, fight for control of the Earth's remaining resources.

Over 4.5 billion people could die from Global Warming related causes by 2012, as planet Earth accelarates into a greed-driven horrific catastrophe.
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http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01291.html
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeKirsch wrote:
Forget wind mills and solar panels. It's already too late. A majority of people will be dead in the next year and a half. From The Canadian: Canada's new socially progressive and cross-cultural national newspaper:

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Over 4.5 Billion people could die from Global Warming-related causes by 2012
Hydrate hypothesis illuminates growing climate change alarm

Compiled by John Stokes
Tuesday 18. May 2010

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Runaway Global Warming promises to literally burn-up agricultural areas into dust worldwide by 2012, causing global famine, anarchy, diseases, and war on a global scale as military powers including the U.S., Russia, and China, fight for control of the Earth's remaining resources.

Over 4.5 billion people could die from Global Warming related causes by 2012, as planet Earth accelarates into a greed-driven horrific catastrophe.
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http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01291.html


This is priceless!!! laughing

And they wonder why so many people don't take this global warming crap seriously!

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